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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 2, 2011 3:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An unprovoked personal best 25 shows list

Gnash gnash! Oh, but wait, it DOES taste good ...

Seriously, bk, have you really worked out a Top 100 and find that nothing at all from '76 or '77 is on it? Or is that more of a gut reaction? Cuz I get the top 25 being all earlier era, but 100 is a big number. (No room for 7/17 or 7/18/76? Some May 77s, or maybe 10/29?) But it's personal anyway, and you've obviously done an extraodinary amount of thoughtful listening. I'm so impressed!!!

I really like the Alps and Himalayas analogy. I think that's the best way of putting it I've heard so far, actually, on a lot of levels. When you get around to it, I'd love to see your Top 25 from the Land Beyond '77.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 2, 2011 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An unprovoked personal best 25 shows list

AR, I'm with you . I guess we all have out tastes, but to exclude everything from the later 70's seems a little extreme to me ... That being said , I pretty much concur with the feeling that these are all awesome shows . I am not AS "68 crazy" as many of you here, I am inclined to early 69 for the psych stuff .
I note this is not a "desert island" list, just a "top shows" list, i.e., this doesn't preclude enjoying shows outside the list , and from the 80's, & 90's .
On a "desert island " list , I might be inclined to be more representative , but still the lion's share would be from the Keith era, and especially the 72-74 shows so justly celebrated .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 2, 2011 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An unprovoked personal best 25 shows list

A desert island list would be fun. Yes, I bet for most people that would be different than a Top 25. Although maybe not any easier to put together!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 2, 2011 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 100 Shows?

Inspired by bkidwells excellent post, I whipped this list up. I had actually attempted this project months ago, but I got stuck at 87 and put the project down until this morning.

I was unable to come up with 100 performances without including a few post 1975 shows. Though I'm sure as LIA stated, "Fans of '77 & later years will be gnashing their teeth..." I personally think that most average shows from 1967-1975 are way better than the very best performances from the 1980's.

But I too would love to see some best of lists from beyond 1977, as well as anyones opinions on what shows from any year(s) should be included in this list, and which shows on this list are unworthy (and why)...


02/25/66 (actual date 3/12/66)
11/10/67
01/20/68
01/22/68 (actual date 1/26/68?)
01/23/68 (actual date 1/27/68?)
02/02/68
02/14/68
03/03/68
08/24/68
10/12/68
12/29/68
01/26/69
02/22/69
02/27/69
02/28/69
03/01/69
04/05/69
04/06/69
04/21/69
04/22/69
04/23/69
04/26/69
10/25/69
11/02/69
11/08/69
12/30/69
12/31/69
01/02/70
02/11/70
02/13/70
02/14/70
03/21/70
04/15/70
05/01/70
05/02/70
05/15/70
06/24/70
07/11/70 (misdated?)
09/19/70
09/20/70
11/08/70
02/18/71
04/28/71
04/29/71
07/02/71
07/31/71
08/06/71
10/31/71
11/07/71
12/05/71
12/31/71
04/08/72
04/14/72
04/24/72
04/26/72
05/03/72
05/11/72
05/26/72
08/24/72
08/27/72
09/21/72
09/27/72
02/15/73
03/24/73
06/10/73
06/22/73
08/01/73
10/19/73
10/25/73
11/11/73
11/14/73
11/17/73
11/30/73
12/02/73
12/06/73
12/18/73
02/24/74
05/19/74
06/16/74
06/18/74
06/23/74
06/26/74
06/28/74
07/19/74
07/31/74
08/06/74
09/18/74
08/13/75
07/17/76
07/18/76
02/26/77
05/08/77
05/09/77
05/22/77
05/25/77
09/03/77
10/29/77
12/31/78
10/27/79
03/29/90

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Poster: stratocaster Date: May 2, 2011 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 100 Shows?

interesting list...In keeping with your parameters...you obviously cover the 60s in depth, there are some outstanding 71 shows late in the year, some that are horseshit quality like 07-31-1971 that would otherwise be on a lot of lists...11-19-I972 would definitely have to put 10-02-1977 and 07-08-1978, 10-21-1978 without a doubt...a few random shows in the 80s. 10-10-80, 05-06-1981, 10-10-1982, 07-19-1989. Throw in 09-20-1990 and 09-22-1993 and we have a keeper...

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Poster: bkidwell Date: May 2, 2011 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 100 Shows?

A great list, thanks for putting that together! Given your tastes I'm a little surprised nothing else from 67 makes it into your top 100? 3/18/67 and 10/22/67 seem like they oughta be there. An unusually perceptive reviewer wrote this about 3/18: "Some rather amazing primal Garcia guitar work here! Not only is this Dancin' in the Streets a candidate for a best ever performance of the song, it just might be the most compelling 10 minutes of music played during the entire year of 1967."

(Spoiler: I'm quoting Cliff's review.)

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Poster: dupree413 Date: Jan 14, 2012 6:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 17 Shows?

I respect this list - and the idea of this list, which probaby could spark more discussions than any political issue, at least with Dead Heads.

But, 30 years of touring - Pigpen, TC, Keith, Keith and Donna, Brent, Vince. I mean right there are 5 people (not including Hornsby) who came and left.

I think the list has to include the highs and the lows - not lows in terms of poor shows, but lows when the band seemed most fragile.

Here are mine:
8/27/72
12/12/73
10/20/74
6/3/76
5/7/77
9/3/77
9/2/80
9/6/80
10/6/83
10/22/83
7/7/84
10/20/84
11/2/84
4/8/85
6/27/85
7/13/85
11/1/85

I'm not saying there were not better shows that could make this list after '85 or before '72 - I'm just saying they didn't speak to me.

Enjoy

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Poster: chris phillips Date: Jun 23, 2014 12:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: top 10

1/26/69
2/28/69
5/2/70
5/15/70
6/24/70
11/8/70
5/23/72
8/27/72
9/27/72
11/19/72





This post was modified by chris phillips on 2014-06-23 19:33:12

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Poster: bkidwell Date: May 2, 2011 6:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An unprovoked personal best 25 shows list

Well, the funny thing is that as much as I feel that 68-74 is on a different level from the later years, I'm also a big supporter of the "good shows and great moments all the way through 94" viewpoint. My feeling that the best 100 shows are all from the pre-retirement era is grounded on the consistently transcendental music making I hear when I listen to almost any show from 70, 72, and 73. From 68 to 74, they performed over 600 shows, and we have recordings for 400+ at least. Just taking the top 25% of the shows of the era when the band was at its peak we have 100+ recordings that seem hard for a later era show to challenge.

I think a distinction to introduce here is between a show's musical quality and performance skill and the value to the listener. I think most of us agree that "Dark Star->St. Stephen" is more awesome than "Lost Sailor->Saint of Circumstance". For me as a listener though, I want to hear Sailor->Saint sometimes, because I think it is interesting and enjoyable, regardless of the relative quality. ("Where's the Dog/Dark Star?")

In economic terms, you can say there is declining marginal utility to the listener from multiple versions of shows with similar core material. If I'm building a listening library of 100 shows, I will probably make it 50% from 67-74 and 50% from other years, because I enjoy the full arc of the band's musical voyage. The best show from fall '82 may not be as good as the worst show from Europe 72, but if I've already got five shows selected from E72 in my time capsule, I'd pick the 82 in preference.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 2, 2011 8:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An unprovoked personal best 25 shows list

That's why I like the Alps/Himalayas analogy. Don't know the Alps from personal experience, but do know the Himalayas (and maybe could exchange Alps for Rockies) ... both are gorgeous and awe-inspiring, but there's certainly an order of magnitude and a wild ruggedness (related to youth?) and sheer scary grandiosity in the Himalayas that dwarfs the Rockies (and presumably the Alps), though doesn't by any means discredit them.

So yeah, obviously anything later will have a lot of competition from those Himalayas! (I just personally think a few later shows would squeek through. But then, I haven't tried to make the comparison :-) )

Btw I'd actually separate "musical quality and performance skills." Some pretty convincing folks have argued that "performance skills," in some sense, were lesser in the '60s. But I don't think many folks would argue "musical quality." The ineffable X quality.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 2, 2011 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An unprovoked personal best 25 shows list

AR -

Wander 100 yards off the Appalachian Trail blindfolded in eastern Tennessee/western NC and you'd be hard pressed to find your way back.

Sometimes those old, worn down ranges have their own mystique, magical attraction and X factor.

I don't know if that makes any sense or not - but I'm sure I could find a show in every year from '66-'95 to make it to a top 100 list. Certainly some years will contribute more shows, but all mountain ranges have trails.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 2, 2011 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An unprovoked personal best 25 shows list

True. But that's why I like the comparison. It gives each its due.

edit: "True" on the trails comparison. But do you really think that every single year would contribute at least one show to a Top 100 list? (Not great moments/"trails," but great whole shows, soup to nuts, which I think is what a Top 100 list is about, vs the "desert island" idea.) I'm definitely with you in feeling there are wonderful shows all across the time span, but boy, there'd be some awful stiff competition for the mid '90s shows that tried ...

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-05-02 17:59:13

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 2, 2011 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An unprovoked personal best 25 shows list

Nice analogy Mando, but I'd have to point out that Mt. Mitchell is never going to be considered among the 100 greatest mountains in the world along side Everest, K2, Lhotse, Aconcagua, Denali, Mont Blanc, Mt Elbrus, etc...

So how was Jackie Greene at The Jewish Mother?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 2, 2011 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An unprovoked personal best 25 shows list

Maybe not Mitchell, but I'm up for a weekend on the AT a little further west from Roane Mountain down to Spivey Gap anytime. That stretch in mid-October will hold its own with any of the other greats. Kind of like a really good single malt matching up with against a really good IPA - completely different but both excellent in their own right.

Go see Jackie Greene - he put on a good show. I have no idea what the setlist was and am hoping a tape goes up on the archive soon. I'd go see him again if he comes through Va Beach. Waylon Speed opened and was outstanding - he's on the artist lineup for FloydFest and I'm looking forward to seeing him again too. I'd have to say I almost enjoyed Waylon Speed more than Jackie.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 2, 2011 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An unprovoked personal best 25 shows list

Thanks for the report!

I will probably go see Jackie on Sunday. I'll let you know what I think...